1996/5/14, posted by Guy Thibault

I ran many statistical analysis on the VMS (as does anyone) and it does seems that there is too many repetitions of letters too close apart to be some how meaningful... NULLS maybe...


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1996/4/12, posted by Guy Thibault

On the foldout with the 3 circle (the rightmost having the 'pleiades'in it), look for the same label... You will find near 5'o'clock on the leftmostcircle and nead 3'o'clock (more inside) in the middle one the same label (taurus?). It might be taurus, since it is repeated in the rightmost circleand is even linked to the pleiades by a line...

With a star finder, assuming a northern hemisphere, near 45' latitudeit would seems that the left most circle is the winter night sky (orsummer morning sky) vue facing south. The middle circle would beeither summer night sky or fall morning sky...

The problem, is the these labels are also repeated in the circles with thenymphs... If the figures are indeed months, then the author must be callingmonths by their associated astrological sign...

One problem with this is the there is more than 12 different labels, what everthey are! I tried regrouping all the different labels and re-drawing the circleswith simple letters instead to more clearly see where a lebel is repeated...This might bring more ideas...

1996/4/15, replyed by Rene Zandbergen

All these labels in the zodiac.... most of them start with OP- or OF-(but not all which is very interesting in itself), and after thatapparently any combination of A, O, E, 9, J (and maybe one or two morethat I forgot). To me they look like numbers. In my little spare timeI'm trying to figure out if they could be dates. The OP- or OF- couldbe the year part (14xx or 15xx) or the end of the month name or many other things.

The alternate labels could be 'special' dates (Christmas, St.Valentine's day). Whenever such an occurrence (OP- or OF-) appears in the body text, and there is some ambiguity, it may be preceded by '4' to indicate it is not a number/date but a word ?
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1996/3/22, posted by Rene Zandbergen


In the file 'checklist' (Jim's AT&T site) it is mentioned that14 folios are missing according to Kraus' catalogue in ~1960, but initially (1912) these were only 8. The 8 earlyones are 12, 74, 91,92, 97,98, 109,110. The six later ones, of whichit is assumed they went lost between 1912 and 1960, are 59-64.

In a letter to Jim Gillogly, Mary D'Imperio mentions that she noticedwhen visiting the Beincecke that more than the originally 8 folioswere missing, but she mentions only some stubs between pages thatshow no gap in the numbering.Does this mean that D'Imperio's copy (derived from Petersen's 1931copy) still had ff.59-64? Does anyone have copies derived from these?

Several people have seen Petersen's hand transcriptions and if ff.59-64were in there, we would have heard by now... Did Mary send copies ofher copies? I think her letter implies that her copies were classifiedto some extent (normal NSA procedure?).

Does this then mean they went missing between 1912 and 1931?How do we know only 8 were missing in 1912?

1996/3/25, posted by Jim Reeds


About the mystery of the missing folios (that is, folios reported missingby Kraus but not by Newbold) that Rene brought up. I assume that Newboldmade a mistake. Newbold might not have examined the VMS itself very carefully,and might not have been supplied with a complete photocopy.

The photocopy D'Imperio used is almost certainly derived from the copy inthe Friedman collection; that copy is probably derived from Petersen's;it lacks ff.59-64. Currier compiled a checklist somewhat analogous to mine; his lacks ff.59-64, as does Petersen's hand written copy of the VMS.
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1996/1/25, posted by Rene Zandbergen

1. The name Mondragone comes from its dominating position and the fact it's decorated with heraldic dragons

2. It is quite a bit outside Frascati (2 hours walk), and cannot be visited.

3. History:
It was founded by Cardinal Marco Altemps under pope Gregorius XIII(Boncompagni). More about Gregorius below.Building was started by Martino Longhi in 1573-1575. (Tiltman quotedby D'Imperio says 'about 1570').In 1582, pope Gregorius issued the calendar reformation bull fromthe so-called 'Salone degli Svizzeri' (Swiss room) of the villa.Gregorius was also a 'good friend' of the Jesuits. He gave largesums of money for the Gesu' (their main church in Rome).In 1613 it was acquired by Card. Scipio Borghese, nephew(need to check) of pope Paul V (Camillo Borghese, pope since 1605).Now Tiltman says that it probably remained in the hands of theAltemps as in 1620 a late member of this family bequeated theMondragone library to the Vatican library. I need to sort thisout, but since it is still well before 1665, it does not worryme too much.Scipio Borghese extended the villa with the help of Vasanzio.(This irrelevant piece of information just because he isa fellow Dutchman.)In 1865 the villa passed into the hands of the Jesuits, whofounded a (apparently famous) college there.In 1912 W.Voynich found the VMs there (with some other documentsbut don't know which). He kept the name of the site secretfor some years(!)In 1953 the college closed.
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Voynich observations

1995/12/7, posted by Jim Reeds

I just spent a couple of hours with my friend Sergio Toresella, an expert on manuscript herbals visiting this country from Italy. He has been making a tour of American libraries and while at the Beinecke spent a little time with the VMS. He knows about my interest, and about our group. Here is a sketch of some of his comments about the VMS:

The VMS is, with certainty, authentic; not a fake. It was manufactured in the period 1450-1460. It was in France for a while: the month names on the zodiac diagrams are in French in a French handwriting. The book itself comes from Italy; the mysterious writing is done in a round humanistic style found only in Italy in the second half of the 1400's. There are similarities between the organization of the VMS (including the balneological section!) and that of other Italian herbals of the 1400s. (He has a lot more to say on this account.) The author of the VMS was a madman, obsessed by sex.
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VMS scholarship

1995/10/7, posted by Jim Reeds

For some odd reason, for more than 60 years members of the cryptographic branches of the American secret intelligence agencies have been interested in the VMS.

John Manly, U of Chicago Chaucer expert; debunked Newbold in 1930's. (He was a World War I code breaker and friend of Friedman's; hence on this list.)

W. F. Friedman, became interested in VMS in 1930's, worked on it off & on the rest of his life (into the 1960's) Started the "First Study Group" 1944-46 and the "Second Study Group", 1962.

John Tiltman, British code breaking friend of Friedman, seduced in the 1950's; wrote a survey paper in the late 1960's.

Prescott Currier, 1930's-1960's navy code breaker, member of Second Study Group, discovered "hand A" and "hand B" in 1970's; main speaker at 1976 symposium.

M. E. D'Imperio, National Security Agency, organized 1976 symposium on VMS, wrote a book in 1976 surveying all known progress to date.

R. Brumbaugh, 1940's Army code breaker, might have heard about VMS from members of First Study Group, later history professor at Yale; wrote a "the solution is that there is no solution" book in 1976. (I spoke with his World War 2 boss, who was a member of the FSG; he could not recall if Brumbaugh was a FSG member.)

Bennett, friend of Brumbaugh's; engineering professor at Yale, used VMS as an example in a textbook.

Father T. Petersen, a Catholic priest, who worked on the VMS between the 1930's and 1960's, who became friends with Friedman and Tiltman. He made a complete transcription and index of words of the VMS; alas that he lived before the era of personal computers!
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