2010年12月01日

元言語の可能性(バスク、エストニア、ピクト語)

1996/7/1, posted by Jacques Guy

If I am to believe the comparative historical work of Larry Trask on Basque (and I believe it) Ancient Basque would have been a candidate for voynichese.

1996/7/1, posted by Dennis J. Stallings

This is interesting. A long time ago you suggested that Voynichese might be a pre-Indo-European survival in Europe, like Basque,Etruscan, or Pictish. Such a language might have survived into the Middle Ages in a small, isolated pocket. This pocket could have harbored a subculture unnoticed by history that produced the VMs. That's a logical scenario. Basque is not that small a pocket but is isolated.

If the underlying language is Basque or maybe Etruscan, we have a chance of decrypting the VMs. Of course, the underlying language could be completely extinct, leaving no trace in modern times.

1996/7/12, posted by Rene Zandbergen

I totally believe that supposedly lost cultures have been able to continue to exist, the scenario where one or a few individuals have continued a style known to them, 'while the rest of the world had a renaissance' is a more plausible explanation for the Voynich Ms. (IMHO of course).Mind you, the Basque/Aquitanian/Iberian theory should definitely be pursued. (Jacques' Salir Salirbosita Salibos has such a nice Voynichese ring to it :-)). Same Robert Firth did once point to Spain as one of the good candidate countries of origin, and the Arab connection is another strong point.


1996/7/12, posted by Dennis Stallings

Another of my pet hypotheses is that the VMs originated in Eastern Europe. That is an area that is less known to Western European scholarship and where the subculture that produced the VMs might have more easily passed unnoticed. Consider too where the VMs first appeared in history: in Rudolf II's Prague. I like D'Imperio's idea that the original components of the Voynich alphabet are early Arabic numerals and medieval Latin abbreviations. If you accept that, that points to areas using the Latin alphabet: Poland, Czech/Slovakia, Hungary. If you accept Cyrillic or Arabic as possible bases, then Russia and Ukraine are right next door for Cyrillic, and I believe that the Turks were in Hungary at the time for Arabic.

1997/11/12, posted by Jorge Stolfi

(0) The VMs is written in cypher. I will leave this hypothesis to the crypto experts to explore.

(1) The Voynich "words" are syllabes; the two classes of letters defined above are basically the vowels and consonants. there are about 10-12 significant prefixes, and about 20 significant suffixes; which offhand seems right for many languages, including English (12 vowel sounds, a couple dozen vowel clusters).

The number of consonants seems a bit to high: around 20 "simple" consonants, plus a long tail of consonant pairs.

(2) but for a tonal language like Chinese or Vietnamese. The difference is mainly that some of the letters (soft ones, presumably) would have to indicate the tones. This alternative has the merit that, in Chinese, the syllabes are indeed the natural unit of text. On the other hand, the "V" syllabes may be hard to explain (unless some of my "soft" letters are actually consonants).

(3) Voynichese is an agglutinative language like Turkish: the "hard" letters are the stem of the word, and the soft letters are modifying affixes.

(4) Voychinese is a semitic language like Arabic or Hebrew; the prefix, midfix, and suffix correspond to the three basic consonants, and attached vowels.
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